During a recent trip to visit my Grandpa (“Papa”), who is now my only living grandparent (he is the husband of 62 years to my Grandma that passed in May), we visited his new church with him. It is the new location of a church that I belonged to as a child when we lived in that area.
Papa had long since wanted to go to church, but hadn’t because my Grandma didn’t want to. In the last days of her life, she had a visit from the (Episcopalian) priest from that church, as well as a visit right after her death. So, my Aunt and Papa started attending the church just after Grandma’s passing.
On their second week there, we were all back visiting and so we all attended. (My family also went to Mass the night before.) While we were at the small Episcopal Church, they talked about a fund raising effort that they were having, as they were far behind budget. My Aunt decided that we should all donate toward this fund raiser, in memory of my Grandma.
When I gave my check to the priest (with the treasurer nearby), I said, “Look! Even the Catholic girl is donating.” He and I both laughed, as he had repeatedly given me a hard time for being Catholic and nobody in my family taking Communion during his home visits or during the service. (He said these mostly in jest, as he grew up Catholic and was formerly a Catholic priest.)
The treasurer quickly jumped in, “You know, the Episcopal Church is just like the Catholic Church, but without all the guilt,” as a selling point to why I should join their church instead.
We were in a hurry, so all I did was politely laugh and say, “I was Episcopalian for thirty years before we converted to Catholicism.”
“Oh, so you know about the church,” he said. Oh yeah, I know about the church, I thought.
If we hadn’t been in a hurry, I wanted to say, “I converted for the guilt.” But, I knew that might get into a longer answer than I had time to give.
One often only feels guilty when they are doing something they know they are not supposed to do, or they have not done something that they should do. (Of course, there are sometimes when some feels guilty for no reason good reason, but let’s put that aside for a minute.)
I wanted a church where there were expectations on how you lived your life – from what you ate on Lenten Fridays to making sure you went to Mass every weekend (and on Holy Days of Obligation) to just about all of those little nuances that make some people feel the Catholic Church is “behind the times.” I wanted that church with a long history in which I would feel part of something so much bigger than myself. I wanted a church where it didn’t feel like anything goes as long as you feel good about it. I wanted the structure, the history, and the identity of being Catholic.
So, I guess if I had that conversation again, rather than a polite laugh, knowing that our lunch reservations were coming soon, I could just politely smile when he said the Episcopal Church is just like the Catholic Church, but without the guilt, and say, “Yes, I know. That’s why I converted.”
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Thanks for sharing that!
I feel exactly the same way. I’m a convert also and I WANT the guilt. I want to feel like God is guiding me through guilt, and if a Church is known for the guilt, then guess what? I think it’s the right church because it SHOULD be! I like this post.
That is interesting. I’m the opposite. I grew up Baptist and then met my husband who was Catholic. I enjoyed going to church with him and became Catholic. However, when we went to the baptism of my first nephew, the priest said that the baby would not be allowed into heaven unless it was baptized. I was really upset!
I decided to look into the Catholic religion more and was very disappointed with their beliefs and rules. Also after the priest left at the church we were attending, another one came and church was super boring!
It was a hard time for our marriage for awhile, because I would not go to a church that said a baby wouldn’t get into heaven. My husband agreed with me, but had always been Catholic and didn’t really know what to do.
Now we found a church we both love! Abby likes it too. It’s a Christian church, but no “religion”. We love the music, the people, the pastors, everyone there is so talented and really brings the message out. They focus a lot on the history of bible and it’s really interesting.
That’s the cool thing, there are so many churches and religions! Everyone can find something they like
@Our Nifty Notebook,
I’m sorry that you had that experience, Jenny! The Pope has specifically said that unbaptized babies go to Heaven — I would be sad to believe otherwise as well. Sorry that you had to go through such a troubled time with all that happened. Just like any other church, the Catholic Church has some parishes that are not as nice as others or priests that are not as good as others (trust me — I tried a few churches of my denomination before finally deciding to convert, but just kept running into clergy that made me feel horrible and that I felt weren’t very kind people at all, and churches were we didn’t feel welcome).
Thanks for sharing your feelings. I’m glad that you are enjoying where you are now.
@Angie,
This is my first visit to your blog, and I really enjoyed your post. I hope I’m not being obnoxious, but I just wanted to clarify a point. The Holy Father did not say, nor could he say, that unbaptized babies go to Heaven. The Church has always taught, as Scripture does, that baptism is indeed necessary for salvation. Baptism is the only *assurance* for salvation of infants. However, the Holy Father points out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that God is good and we entrust infants (and the unborn) who die without the benefit of baptism to His mercy, upon which we always rely. Here is the passage:
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”63 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
We *hope* for their salvation, but are not assured, as is emphasized by the last sentence of this paragraph.
It is true that there are many different personalities of priests. Some are off-putting. But Catholics do not go to this or that church for the music, the people, the parish programs, or even the pastor — every priest who offers Holy Mass offers Our Blessed Lord – Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity – to us in the Holy Eucharist. See John 6:51. No other Christian church can help us fulfill what Our Lord says there.
Hi! Been without my laptop for awhile, so I am just catching up – LOVE this post!
I too, am a convert (used to be Luthern – but our pastor used to be a catholic – so lots was based on HIS upbringing, which I learned after he passed and the “new pastor” changed so much!)
Everything others complain about, is what I LOVE about the church – and yes, accountability is on of the major points. I could go on and on….but will spare you!
GREAT topic, thanks!